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[Human Relations Commission November 16, 2023]
I'VE GOT 4:00 PM ON MY PHONE.SO THIS WOULD BE THE, UH, OPENING OF THE NOVEMBER DECATUR HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION MEETING.
UH, THE FIRST ORDER BUSINESS WOULD BE A ROLL CALL.
WE HAVE FIVE PRESENT AND WE HAVE A QUORUM.
UM, APPEARANCE OF CITIZENS, UM, I DON'T SEE ANY THIS PARTICULAR MONTH, SO THAT ALLOWS US TO MOVE ON TO THE CONSIDERATION OF THE OCTOBER 19TH MEETING MINUTES.
UH, LET ME GIVE YOU A SECOND TO, UH, REVIEW THOSE AND THEN I WOULD ENTERTAIN ANY, UH, MOTION FOR ACCEPTANCE.
I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM AUGUST, UM, AUGUST, OCTOBER 19TH, 2020 SECOND.
UH, DO WE TAKE A ROLL CALL? VOTE FOR THAT, PLEASE.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UH, INVESTIGATOR SPAN TO GIVE US THE MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT AND THE SUMMARY OF THE CASES.
UH, YOU HAVE THE, UH, MONTHLY REPORT IN FRONT OF YOU, I BELIEVE.
I WANNA MAKE SURE I HAVE THE SAME ONE YOU DO, AND YOU JUST GAVE ME THE PACKET.
YEAH, I BELIEVE I, IT SHOULD SAY NOVEMBER ON THE TOP RATHER THAN OCTOBER.
IS THAT, THAT'S WHAT CONFUSED ME.
THE, UH, SO I'LL REPORT ON THE CASES.
UH, FIRST ONE IS 2 3 0 7 1 9 RACE DISCRIMINATION IN, IN EMPLOYMENT.
UH, THAT WAS, I THINK I TOLD YOU LAST MONTH THAT I WAS ATTEMPTING TO SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH THE COMPLAINANT BECAUSE WE'D, HE HAD RECEIVED THE RESPONSE FROM THE, THE RESPONDENT FROM THE EMPLOYER, UM, AND MADE SEVERAL ATTEMPTS BY EMAIL AND TEXT TO, UH, GET IN TOUCH WITH THE COMPLAINANT.
I FINALLY DID, AND WE SCHEDULED A MEETING ON NOVEMBER 2ND.
UH, HE DID NOT SHOW, SAID HE HAD OVERSLEPT AND ASKED IF WE COULD TRY AGAIN.
SO WE TRIED AGAIN ON NOVEMBER 9TH.
HE DID NOT SHOW, UH, SAID HE WAS AT THE DOCTOR WITH HIS BABY.
SO I SAID, OKAY, YOU WANNA TRY AGAIN ON NOVEMBER 16TH? THAT WAS THIS MORNING.
SO, UM, WITH THE CONSENT AND THAT THE ADVICE OF, UH, FRENCH WILSON AND, AND PENNY ROGERS, I, I DISMISSED THE CASE FOR LACK OF COOPERATION BY THE COMPLAINANT.
UH, THE COMPLAINANT DOES HAVE 40 DAYS BY THE ORDINANCE TO FILE AN APPEAL OF THAT DISMISSAL.
AND IF HE DOES THAT, THEN THAT WILL COME TO THE COMMISSION, UH, TO BE DECIDED 2 3 0 7.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
UH, 2 3 0 7 2 5 B, UH, RACE DISCRIMINATION AND EMPLOYMENT.
UH, THE PARTIES, UH, DID AGREE IN PRINCIPLE TO A SETTLEMENT ON THAT.
THE, UH, RESPONDENT'S LAWYER, UH, HAD SAID THAT IF THE COMPLAINANT FILED, THE, UH, SIGNED THE AGREEMENT THAT, THAT SHE WOULD HAVE SEVEN DAYS TO REVOKE HER SIGNATURE.
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I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH, BUT I TOOK, I'VE NOT RUN INTO THAT BEFORE, BUT I TOOK HER AT HER WORD AND SHE SAID, ON THE EIGHTH DAY, WE WILL OVERNIGHT THE CHECK TO THE COMPLAINANT.UM, THAT, UH, THE EIGHTH DAY WAS, UH, SEVERAL DAYS AGO.
THE, UH, COMPLAINANT HAS REACHED OUT TO ME SEVERAL TIMES, AND I'VE REACHED OUT TO THE, UH, RESPONDENT'S ATTORNEY TO SAY, WHAT'S GOING ON? AND THE, THE RESPONDENT'S ATTORNEY SAID, WELL, THE AGREEMENT SAID ANYTIME BEFORE NOVEMBER 23RD WOULD BE OKAY.
AND I'M, I, I'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH MY CLIENT AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
AND THAT'S, UH, SO I DON'T YET HAVE THE SIGNED AGREEMENT FROM BOTH PARTIES.
I'M, UH, I'M FRUSTRATED WITH THE ATTORNEY AND I, I WROTE HER A, A NOTE YESTERDAY SAYING, I TOOK YOU AT YOUR WORD AND I TRUSTED YOU, AND I RELAYED WHAT YOU TOLD ME TO THE COMPLAINANT AS YOU ASKED ME TO DO.
AND I HOPE THAT TRUST WAS NOT MISPLACED.
FRED, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE GUIDELINE, IF YOU HAVE ANY PRECEDENT FOR THIS AS FAR AS BEING GENEROUS IN GIVING TIME TO RESPOND, BUT THEN WANTING SOME RESOLUTION? UH, SO WHERE, THE ONLY PLACE WHERE THE ORDINANCE COMES IN ON THIS IS THAT, THAT, THAT THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE THE, UH, POWER TO ENFORCE AN AGREEMENT ONCE IT'S SIGNED.
SO ONCE THE AGREEMENT IS SIGNED, UH, WE CAN'T MAKE THE PARTIES LIVE UP TO THE AGREEMENT.
THEY'D HAVE TO DO THAT IN, IN CIVIL ACTION.
I HAD A CASE VERY EARLY IN MY CAREER HERE, WHERE IT WAS A LEFTOVER CASE FROM YEARS AGO WHERE THE, UH, RESPONDENT HAD RECEIVED A HUGE JUDGMENT.
I THINK IT WAS A SEXUAL HARASSMENT CASE AND NEVER PAID.
AND, UH, I WAS TOLD THAT'S NONE OF OUR BUSINESS THAT THE COMPLAINANT HAS TO DO IT.
BUT IN THIS CASE, I, WE DON'T HAVE THE AGREEMENT YET.
SO I CAN CONTINUE TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT.
IN PRINCIPLE, WE DON'T HAVE A SIGNED AGREEMENT, SO WE DON'T HAVE A SETTLEMENT.
I HAVE NOT SEEN THE SETTLEMENT.
UH, THE LAWYER PROMISED TO SEND IT TO ME SOME TIME AGO, SO I, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
I MEAN, IT MAY BE THAT THE CHECK WAS SENT TODAY, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT IT, BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE WORST CASE IS THAT THE LAWYER WAS NOT ACTING WITH THE KNOWLEDGE AND CONSENT OF HER CLIENT.
YOU KNOW, AND IS THERE ANY PROVISION IF THIS FALLS THROUGH FOR THE COMPLAINANT TO REAPPLY? OH, THE CASE IS STILL OPEN, SO THE CASE WOULD JUST MOVE FORWARD.
UH, WHICH, SO THOSE ARE TWO INTERESTING ONES.
UH, ANOTHER INTERESTING CASE, UH, THE, UH, RESPONDENT WAS, UH, RECEIVED THE CHARGE ON SEPTEMBER 27TH, HAD 30 DAYS, WHICH WOULD BE OCTOBER 27TH TO SUBMIT ITS RESPONSE.
AND I HAD CONTACTED, UH, MS. ROGERS AND, UH, CHAIR AKER AND, AND ASKED, YOU KNOW, THE, BECAUSE WHAT THIS, THE WAY IT'S SET UP IS IF THE RESPONDENT DOES NOT RESPOND, MAKES NO ATTEMPT TO TO CONTACT US AT THAT POINT, THEN WE FILE A FORMAL COMPLAINT AND SET A HEARING DATE.
UH, SO WE BASICALLY AS ASSUME THAT THE, THE CHARGE IS GOING FORWARD.
AMY W THE CITY ATTORNEY THEN SAID, ARE YOU SURE THAT THIS IS THE EMPLOYER OF RECORD? AND I SAID, WELL, I BETTER CHECK THAT.
BECAUSE IT TURNS OUT THAT THE COMPANY ACTUALLY, IT'S IT'S EMPLOYEES ARE NOT EMPLOYEES OF THE COMPANY.
THEY'RE HANDLED THROUGH AN EMPLOYMENT SERVICE, A, A MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
SO I CALLED THE COMPLAINANT AND SAID, WHAT DOES IT SAY ON YOUR PAYCHECK? WHO ACTUALLY PAYS YOU? AND SO WITH THAT IN MIND, THEN THE CASE HAS TO START ALL OVER AGAIN.
SO, SO WE'RE BACK TO SQUARE ONE.
WE FILED THE CHARGE WITH THE EMPLOYER OF RECORD A COUPLE DAYS AGO.
AND QUESTIONS ON EITHER OF THOSE,
I BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS A CASE.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE DETAILS OF THAT CASE.
AND JUST, UH, THEN, UH, 2 3 0 9 1 2 RACE DISCRIMINATION AND EMPLOYMENT.
AND THAT WAS A, A TERMINATION.
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THE, UH, SINCE I FILED THIS REPORT, THE, UH, ON NOVEMBER 13TH, I DID RECEIVE THE RESPONSE FROM THE EMPLOYER, UH, SENATE IT TO THE COMPLAINANT, UH, AND ASKED THE COMPLAINANT TO LET ME KNOW WHEN THEY'RE READY TO SIT DOWN AND TALK, AND GO THROUGH IT PAGE BY PAGE AND TELL ME, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY DISAGREE WITH AND WHAT EVIDENCE THEY HAVE TO SUPPORT THEIR CASE.UH, SO AT THIS POINT, UH, I'LL BE MEETING WITH THE COMPLAINANT, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY FAIRLY SOON TO BEGIN THE INVESTIGATION.
UM, AND THE LAST 1, 2 3, 1 0, 1 0.
UH, I BELIEVE AT THE LAST MEETING I SAID THAT THERE MIGHT BE A CASE OF MISTAKEN IDENTITY HERE.
UH, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THAT IT WAS, UH, A RELATIVE OF THE COMPLAINANT, UH, THAT RELATIVE DID IN FACT TAKE THE COMPLAINANT TO THE, UH, PLACE OF BUSINESS.
THIS WAS PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS, UH, DISABILITY DISCRIMINATION, AND, UH, IT WAS IN FACT A CASE OF MISTAKEN IDENTITY.
AND THE COMPLAINANT IS, IS, AGAIN, WELCOME TO, TO PATRONIZE THE BUSINESS.
AND SO, SO THAT CASE IS CLOSED THERE.
POLICY ISSUE THAT I DON'T KNOW, THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
UH, QUITE A COLLECTION OF CASES.
I, IS THE PACE SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN IT WAS, SAY, SIX MONTHS AGO OF CASES FILED? YEAH, THIS YEAR HAS BEEN VERY BUSY.
IT'S BEEN, UH, I GUESS THERE'S ONE YEAR THAT WAS BUSIER.
UH, BUT THIS YEAR HAS BEEN VERY BUSY.
THERE'S BEEN NOTHING FILED, UH, YOU KNOW, SINCE, UH, EARLY OCTOBER
SO, BUT THE, IT, THERE WAS A FLURRY OVER THE, OVER THE SUMMER AND INTO THE EARLY FALL.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CAUSE OF THAT IS.
UH, OPTIMISTICALLY, UH, I HOPE IT IS A MATTER OF PEOPLE, UH, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT OUR SYSTEM EXISTS AND NOT AN INCREASE IN DISCRIMINATION IN THE CITY.
UH, WE COULD MOVE ON TO UNFINISHED BUSINESS, WHICH AMOUNTS TO THE DISCUSSION OF POTENTIAL CHANGES TO CHAPTER 28 OF THE CITY CODE.
AND WE HAVE ALMOST A FULL COMPLIMENT OF PEOPLE, UH, COMMISSIONERS HERE TODAY.
UH, AND I THINK I APPRECIATE INPUT, BUT I THINK THE BEST COURSE OF DOING THIS BIG TASK IS GOING ARTICLE BY ARTICLE.
AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN THE PAST MONTH OR TWO, AND I DON'T WANT TO GO OVER THE GROUND ONCE AGAIN, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK WE HAVE TO, WE, THE DISCUSSION HAS TO CRYSTALLIZE INTO SOME CONSENSUS, UH, THAT WE CAN NOTE AND THEN MOVE ON BECAUSE AS WE'VE AGREED, WE WANT TO, UH, PRESENT A FINISHED PROPOSAL TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND, UH, EVENTUALLY THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO, UM, ARTICLE ONE, I THINK THERE'S NO DISCUSSION ABOUT, I MIGHT BE WRONG, CORRECT ME.
UM, THE FIRST THING THAT I SEE IS THAT I, I THINK WE AGREED THAT THE, HIS OR HER SHOULD BE CONVERTED INTO THERE.
AND, UH, THEN RACE AND COLOR ARE SOME THINGS THAT PERHAPS, UH, ESPECIALLY RACE, WE NEED TO SETTLE ON A DEFINITION, UH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S, I GUESS, DEFINED LATER ON IN THE, UH, CHAPTER.
WELL, UH, THE, THE, IF YOU HAVE THE, UH, THE DOCUMENT THAT I PREPARED, THAT, THAT HAS SOME, THE DEFINITION OF RACE WAS ADDED IN RED.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT WAS A SUGGESTION THAT I THINK THAT THE COMMISSION AGREED ON.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT CURRENTLY IN THE CODE.
AND I THINK WE'RE PRETTY MUCH IN AGREEMENT OF THAT.
AND RACE SHOULD BE ON PAGE THREE THEN, I BELIEVE, UH, DO YOU WANT ME TO READ IT? THE, UH, THE DEFINITION ON RACE? SURE.
UM, BECAUSE THERE MIGHT'VE BEEN PEOPLE HERE WHO, UM, WHO WERE NOT AT THE LAST DISCUSSION, RACE IS DEFINED HERE AS A CLASS OF INDIVIDUALS
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INVOLVING A DISTINCT PHYSICAL TYPE WITH CERTAIN UNCHANGING CHARACTERISTICS, SUCH AS COLOR OF SKIN, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO HAIR, TEXTURE, AND PROTECTIVE HAIRSTYLES SUCH AS BRAIDS, LOCKS, AND TWISTS.DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT, ABOUT THAT? I GUESS I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD PREFER SOME OTHER WORD THAN CLASS.
UH, 'CAUSE UH, IT IMPLIES TO ME THAT, UH, I MEAN, A CLASS IS, COULD BE CONSIDERED A LOWER CLASS UPPER CLASS.
SO I MIGHT SUGGEST SOMETHING LIKE GROUP INSTEAD OF CLASS.
UH, I BELIEVE YOU CAN JUST TAKE THAT OUT AND SAY, RACE MEANS INDIVIDUALS.
OH, WILL THAT WORK? WILL THAT WORK? RACE MEANS INDI RACE, RACE MEANS, I'M TRYING TO READ THIS WITHOUT MY GLASSES.
RACE MEANS INDIVIDUALS INVOLVING A DISTINCT PHYSICAL TYPE WITH CERTAIN UNCHANGING CHARACTERISTICS.
DOES THAT WORK? WELL? I THINK IT NO NEEDS TO BE, UH, IF IT'S NOT GONNA BE CLASS, I AGREE THAT GROUP, UH, BECAUSE THEY ARE GROUPED INTO A CATEGORY OF, UH, OR INTO A GLASS OF PEOPLE.
AND YOU'RE SAYING IT SHOULD BE MORE THAN ONE? TURN YOUR MIC BECAUSE, OH, I'M SORRY.
SO YEAH, YOU WOULDN'T DO, UH, DEFINE RACE BY INDIVIDUAL.
I DON'T THINK RACE MEANS A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS.
I GUESS WE SHOULD EVEN BREAK DOWN INTO WORDS SOMETIMES, BECAUSE IN THE LEGAL PROCESS, UH, THESE DEFINITIONS CAN BE PICKED APART.
SO I GUESS WE WANT TO BE, UH, AGREED ON, UM, THE MAJOR WORDS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
SO, UH, I KNOW YOU'RE WANTING TO STREAMLINE BY SAYING JUST INDIVIDUALS, BUT, UH, PERHAPS THE MIDDLE GROUND IS TO SAY GROUP INSTEAD OF CLASS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT PARTICULAR DEFINITION? I, SO I, I THINK WE'VE MADE PROGRESS ON THAT.
UM, I SHOULD BE FOLLOWING ALONG WITH WHAT, UH, MR. SPAN, UH, PROVIDED US, RATHER THAN MY OLD NOTES, WHICH HAVE BEEN COPIED OVER SEVERAL TIMES.
UH, I, I'LL SAY THAT AT THE LAST, UH, COMMISSION MEETING, I THOUGHT I COULD MAKE THIS IN A TWO COLUMN FORMAT WHERE YOU COULD LOOK AT THE OLD, AND THAT JUST GOT TOO CONFUSING.
SO WHAT I DID, I JUST USED THE OLD DOCUMENT, PUT IT INTO WORD, AND THEN PUT IN RED THE THINGS THAT EITHER HAD BEEN AGREED OR, OR THE COMMISSION HAD AGREED TO DISCUSS TO, TO AT LEAST GET US THROUGH, UH, ARTICLES ONE AND TWO, WHICH ARE PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ARTICLES IN THERE.
SO, UH, SO I, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE COMMISSION DID WANT TO INCLUDE POLITICAL AFFILIATION.
AND SO THAT'S MENTIONED RIGHT IN TWO ONE, AND THEN IT'S DEF DEFINED FURTHER ON, IN, ON PAGE THREE.
AND THAT WAS A WHERE, WHERE THE DEFINITIONS ARE TAKEN RIGHT OUT OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S ORDINANCE.
I PUT THE FOOTNOTE THERE, JUST SO, UM, THE FOOTNOTES WILL NOT APPEAR AT THE FINAL VERSION, BUT IT'S BASICALLY FOR CITY LEGAL TO, TO KNOW THAT SOMEBODY ELSE HAS ALREADY ADOPTED THIS.
I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, WHERE WAS HE TALKING? WHICH ARTICLE WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT? UH, ARTICLE TWO, SECTION TWO ONE ADDED THE WORDS POLITICAL AFFILIATION.
AND THEN THE DEFINITION IS OVER IN, UH, PAGE THREE, PARAGRAPH L.
UH, UNLESS, AND UNTIL WE GET TO THE DEFINITION, UH, DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS THAT APIL POLITICAL AFFILIATION WOULD BE A LEGITIMATE ADDITION TO THE DISCRIMINATION TYPES?
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SOUNDS GOOD.I WILL MUDDY THE WATERS BY SAYING I THINK SUCH THINGS AS FAMILIAL STATUS, PREGNANCY AND SOURCE OF INCOME WERE, WERE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING.
AND I THINK A CASE COULD BE MADE FOR THOSE, ALTHOUGH I'M NOT IN A POSITION TO SAY THAT MAY HAVE BEEN IN SOME OTHER CITY'S, UH, STATUTES.
UH, BUT, UH, I, I JUST WONDERED, MR. SPAN IS WHAT YOU THOUGHT OF WHETHER YOU REMEMBER WE DISCUSSED THIS OR WHETHER IT'S A PRACTICAL MATTER TO DISCUSS ANY OF THEM TODAY.
UH, THE REASON YOU'RE PROBABLY REFERRING TO THE FOOTNOTE ON PAGE ONE.
I DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.
I MEAN, I, UH, MY JOB IS, IS PRETTY MUCH TO, TO THROW OUT THE OPTIONS TO LET THE COMMISSION MAKE A DECISION, AND THEN I'LL WRITE IT UP.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT ANY OF ANY OR NONE OF THOSE SHOULD BE INCLUDED.
SO LET ME, I JUST, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION AT, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOURCE OF INCOME, WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE LOOKING FOR? WHAT OR WHY WOULD, OKAY.
UH, I, IT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST BECAUSE THEY'RE ON WELFARE ESSENTIALLY, HUH.
UH, AND THE STATE PUT THAT IN, I THINK, PRETTY RECENTLY.
UH, AND THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING OF THE, UH, ILLINOIS MUNICIPAL HUMAN RIGHTS ASSOCIATION THAT THE GENTLEMAN FROM THE STATE OF ILLINOIS SAID THAT MEANT THAT IT WAS ILLEGAL FOR LANDLORDS TO SAY NO, SECTION EIGHT, WHICH IS VERY COMMON IN, IN RENTAL ADS.
UH, HOWEVER, HE, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S NOT COMPLETE AGREEMENT ON THAT
AND CHAMPAIGN URBANA HAVE THIS ON THEIR BOOKS AT THIS POINT.
DO THEY HAVE SOURCE OF INCOME ON THERE? THANKS.
SHOULD I READ THAT? UH, IF WE WANT TO, UH, I COULD SEE IT COMING INTO PLAY WITH, WITH HOUSING OR PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS PARTICULARLY.
UM, BUT JUST 'CAUSE I HAVE IT HERE.
IT SAYS, IN, IN CHAMPAIGN AND URBANA, SOURCE OF INCOME MEANS THE, THE POINT OR FORM OF THE ORIGINATION, OF LEGAL GAINS OF INCOME, SORRY ABOUT THE WORDING, ACCRUING TO A PERSON OR REDUCTIONS IN DEBT.
THE PERSON WOULD OTHERWISE ACCRUE IN A STATED PERIOD OF TIME, FROM ANY OCCUPATION, PROFESSION, OR ACTIVITY, FROM ANY CONTRACT AGREEMENT OR SETTLEMENT FROM FEDERAL, STATE, OR LOCAL PAYMENTS, COURT ORDERED PAYMENTS, OR FROM PAYMENTS RECEIVED AS GIFTS, BEQUEST ANNUITIES, OR LIFE INSURANCE POLICIES, WHICH SHALL INCLUDE SECTION EIGHT HOUSING VOUCHERS.
AND URBANA ADDS THE, UM, WORDS OR ANY OTHER RENT SUBSIDY OR RENT SUB ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FROM COURT ORDERED PAYMENTS OR FROM PAYMENTS RECEIVE AS GIFTS, BEQUEST ANNUITIES, OR LIFE INSURANCE POLICIES.
PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT I JUST READ.
I UNDERSTOOD THE LAST PART ABOUT SEX.
WELL, NO, I, THE LAST, JUST THE LAST PART ABOUT THE, UH, SECTION EIGHT AND OTHER RENTAL SUBSIDIES, BECAUSE THAT, THAT DOES IN FACT HAPPEN, UH, WITH, UH, SUPPORTIVE HOUSING GRANTS FROM HUD THAT WE'LL PAY PORTION OF THE RENTS.
THERE'S SOME LANDLORDS THAT SAY, I JUST WON'T DEAL WITH THAT.
ONE IS, IF WE FEEL THAT THIS IS A SUITABLE, UH, CATEGORY TO EXTEND A DISCRIMINATION, UM, SAFEGUARDS, AND TWO, THEN PLUNGING INTO AN ALTERNATIVE WORDING, UH, SITUATION.
WELL, HOW DO PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT THAT? YEAH.
WELL, I THINK IT'S A LEGITIMATE, UH, ISSUE, ESPECIALLY WHEN PEOPLE ARE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST, UH, BECAUSE MAYBE THEY'RE RECEIVING PUBLIC ASSISTANCE.
BUT AS FAR AS ALL OF THAT WORDING THAT YOU JUST READ,
WHO WANTS TO VOLUNTEER TO DO THAT?
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SENTIMENTS TO HEART, BUT, UH, I LIKE WORDS AS MUCH AS THE NEXT PERSON.BUT BY GOLLY, THIS IS IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT ME TO, I COULD SEE HOW THE STATE DEFINES RIGHT NOW.
I, I
I CAN, I CAN TAKE A LOOK AND SEE IF YOU WANNA INCLUDE THAT.
AND, AND JUST BE AWARE, AS WITH ALL THESE THINGS, THAT ONCE YOU PROPOSE IT, IF IT GETS TO THE CITY COUNCIL, IT'LL BE UP TO THE COMMISSION TO DEFEND ITS LANGUAGE.
AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT THIS ONE WOULD BE, UH, WOULD BE OPPOSED BY SOME INTEREST.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S A REASON NOT TO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING YOU, IF YOU MAKE CHANGES, YOU NEED, THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO BE WILLING TO DEFEND THOSE CHANGES.
WELL, I THINK THE, UM, THE END IS A WORTHY ONE, AND WE'LL HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE WILL HAVE TO EXPLAIN AND DEFEND, BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE MAJOR CHANGE IN OUR ANTI-DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE FOR WHO KNOWS HOW MANY YEARS IN THE FUTURE.
SO WE WANT TO PROTECT AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN BEFORE WE LOSE OUR MINDS IN CONSTRUCTING THE CHANGES.
WOULD PREGNANCY BE ANY MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD? IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY.
WE HAVE HAD PREGNANCY CASES, UH, THAT WE HAVE, UH, PURSUED UNDER DISABILITY.
AND, UH, THE ONE CASE, I MEAN, IT WAS MAYBE THE FIRST CASE I HAD, AND IT WAS NEVER CHALLENGED BECAUSE THE CASE, THEY REACHED A SETTLEMENT PRETTY QUICKLY ON THIS.
UH, SOME JURISDICTIONS FEEL THAT PREGNANCY NEEDS TO BE EITHER INCLUDED UNDER SOME OTHER CATEGORY, SUCH AS DISABILITY SPECIFICALLY, OR BROUGHT OUT AS A SEPARATE PIECE.
CHAMPAGNE, UM, HAS IT UNDER THE CATEGORY OF SEX, REALLY.
I, THEY ALSO HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS IN THAT CA
IT'S NOT A DISABILITY, BUT THAT MAY BE THE BEST PLACE TO PUT.
IS THAT OKAY WITH THE FEMALE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? YES.
I, I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT ONE.
UH, I JUST NOTICED, UH, BLOOMINGTON, DANVILLE AND NORMAL INCLUDED UNDER FAMILIAL STATUS.
OH, DO WE HAVE FAMILIAL STATUS? ACTUALLY, WE DON'T HAVE THAT, DO WE? UH, SO, AND I'M REFERRING BACK TO THE, THERE'S, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PAPER FLYING AROUND.
BUT, UH, THE ONE THAT'S LAID OUT KIND OF LANDSCAPE FORMAT, IT'S ON THE TOP OF THE THIRD PAGE.
UM, UH, I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A DEFINITION OF PREGNANCY, WHETHER OR NOT IT STANDS ON ITS OWN OR IS, UH, WRAPPED INTO THE FAMILIAL STATUS.
SO, UM, I THINK WE HAVE TO START FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, UH, AGREEING ON A PREGNANCY DEFINITION AND THEN DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
AND HERE'S WHAT THEY SAY, UH, FROM, UH, BLOOMINGTON AND THE STATE OF ILLINOIS.
PREGNANCY IS THE CONDITION OF BEING PREGNANT, CHILDBIRTH AND OR MEDICAL OR COMMON CONDITIONS RELATED TO PREGNANCY OR CHILDBIRTH.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE.
IS THAT FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD? I AGREE WITH THAT.
DO YOU KNOW WHERE I'M, UH, REFERRING TO THIS LANDSCAPE, UH, A SET OF, UH, UH, STATUSES THAT SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES HAVE? I, SO I'M THINKING THAT WE HAVE AGREEMENTS ON THAT.
AND NOW, UM, WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS OF PUTTING THAT, UH, WITHIN FAMILIAL STATUS, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ON THE BOOKS AT THIS POINT, EITHER RIGHT NOW? SO, YEAH, IT'S INTERESTING.
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ACTUALLY HAS PREGNANCY IN THERE TWICE.THEY HAVE IT UNDER FAMILIAL STATUS AND UNDER PREGNANCY.
UH, BUT FAMILIAL STATUS MEANS THAT YOU CANNOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST PEOPLE AGAINST A HOUSEHOLD BECAUSE THERE'S CHILDREN IN THE HOUSEHOLD.
UH, IF YOUR UNIT, YOU KNOW, IS YOU HAVE A THREE BEDROOM UNIT, YOU CAN'T SAY ADULTS ONLY.
UH, THERE USUALLY ARE EXCEPTIONS FOR LIKE SENIOR HOUSING.
UH, BUT, UH, AND THAT IN FACT IS A, I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S COVERED.
THAT'S THE STATE HAS IT? I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED.
UH, IN FACT, IT MIGHT BE IN OUR CODE UNDER THE HOUSING SECTION.
LET ME, YEAH, THEY, FAMILIAL STATUS IS INCLUDED UNDER HOUSING, BUT IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MENTION PREGNANCY THERE.
BUT IF WE WANNA DO PREGNANCY, YOU NEED TO PUT IT UP AT THE TOP IN SECTION TWO RATHER THAN PUT IT UNDER HOUSING.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE IS A REFERENCE AND A PROTECTION FOR FAMILIAL STATUS CURRENTLY IN OUR CODE, IT'S, YES, IT'S IN THE HOUSING AREA.
AND UNDER REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS, ARTICLE EIGHT, I JUST, BUT IT DOES NOT MENTION PREGNANCY THERE.
IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE ON THE TOPIC OF PREGNANCY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU CAN'T REFUSE TO RENT OR SELL ON THE BASIS OF THE TENANT OR BUYER HAVING CHILDREN IN THEIR HOUSEHOLD.
UH, YEAH, AND IT'S ON THAT BASIS, I WOULD SAY THAT WE CAN DEFER, UH, ADDING, UH, FAMILIAL STATUS.
BUT, UH, PREGNANCY DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE, UH, SINGLED OUT AS A CATEGORY OF PROTECTION.
SO IS IT THE, THE WISH OF THE COMMISSION THEN TO ADD PREGNANCY AND USE THAT DEFINITION FROM BLOOMINGTON? ADD PREGNANCY UNDER SECTION 2.1, AND THEN USE THE BLOOMINGTON DEFINITION? I DUNNO IF WE HAVE TO DO ROLL CALLS ON THESE THINGS, BUT, UH, I THINK A CONSENSUS CAN BE PRETTY WELL, UH, UH, CONSIDERED UNLESS SOMEBODY SPEAKS UP AND SAYS, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE.
SO I'D SAY THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES, UNLESS MARK GOOD.
I, NO, I PREGNANCY NEEDS TO BE ADDED.
UM, CAN YOU READ AGAIN? THE BLOOMINGTON STATUTE, THE CONDITION OF BEING PREGNANCY IS DEFINED AS THE CONDITION OF BEING PREGNANT, CHILDBIRTH AND OR MEDICAL OR COMMON CONDITIONS RELATING TO PREGNANCY AND CHILDBIRTH.
SO I THINK AT THIS POINT WE COULD, UH, SAFELY ADD PREGNANCY, AND I THINK BY THE TIME WE GET ALL THROUGH, UH, WE'LL WANT TO PUT THE DOCUMENT TOGETHER AND REVIEW EVERYTHING.
SO IT WON'T BE MAYBE THE LAST TIME WE TOUCH ON THIS, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE ARE BOLSTERING SECTION 2.1.
THAT STILL LEAVES PERSONAL APPEARANCE BASED ON YOUR FOOTNOTES.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE PERSONAL, OH, I HAVE PERSONAL APPEARANCE OF CHAMPAGNE URBANA.
THEY MUST HAVE A PRETTY THICK CODE.
IT SAYS PERSONAL APPEARANCE ON, ON THEIR STATUTE, SAY THE OUTWARD APPEARANCE OF ANY PERSON IRRESPECTIVE OF SEX WITH REGARD TO BODILY CONDITION OR CHARACTERISTICS SUCH AS WEIGHT, HEIGHT, FACIAL FEATURES, OR OTHER ASPECTS OF APPEARANCE.
IT SHALL NOT RELATE, HOWEVER, TO THE REQUIREMENT OF CLEANLINESS, UNIFORMS OR PRESCRIBED ATTIRE, IF AND WHEN SUCH REQUIREMENT IS UNIFORMLY APPLIED FOR ADMITTANCE TO A PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION OR TO EMPLOYEES IN A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT FOR A REASONABLE BUSINESS PURPOSE.
SO I GUESS THAT MEANS IF, IF YOU'RE WORKING FOR MCDONALD'S, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE MCDONALD'S VISOR ON AND WHATEVER SHIRT THEY GIVE YOU.
OR IF YOU GO TO A RESTAURANT THAT KIND UND DRESS CODE, YOU HAVE TO, IT DOESN'T SAY IT, BUT I WOULD THINK IT WOULD INCLUDE TATTOOS.
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SORRY.I WOULD, I WOULD JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, SAY THAT THERE'S SOMETHING IN ADDITION TO, UH, WEARING THE UNIFORM, IT SAYS, OR IT DOES, IT SHALL NOT RELATE TO EMPLOYEES IN A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT FOR A REASONABLE BUSINESS PURPOSE.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, IF THE JOB INVOLVED STOCKING GROCERY SHELLS, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD REACH THE GROCERY SHELVES.
UH, IF IT'S A FLIGHT ATTENDANT, YOU CAN'T HAVE SOMEBODY WHO CAN'T MANEUVER DOWN AN AISLE BECAUSE OF THEIR WEIGHT.
DOES THIS MORE RELATE TO ATTIRE AS OPPOSED TO PHYSICAL CONDITION? I
SO TATTOOS, I THINK YOU'VE TOUCHED ON SOMETHING THAT, UH, HOW MANY TATTOOS CONSTITUTE A, UH, A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE? SO ADDING TATTOOS, PEOPLE RECOGNIZE THOSE, BUT I THINK WE'RE TIPTOEING AROUND A MINE MINEFIELD.
IF WE ATTEMPT TO DEFINE THE NUMBER OF TATTOOS THAT SOMEBODY CAN HAVE AND STILL BE PROTECTED.
ARE TATTOOS A PART OF ACTUAL BODY CONDITION? UH, IN RELAT RELATION? I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT A PERSON'S WEIGHT, MM-HMM.
I, I GUESS IT'S WHAT YOU PRESENT TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, AND I KNOW THAT THE WAY IT IS NOW FOR, SAY, RESTAURANTS, UH, THE PLACEMENT OF TATTOOS IN GENERAL IS, UH, CIRCUMSCRIBED BY THE EMPLOYER.
I THINK THEY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, UH, LEEWAY IN SAYING, OKAY, YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS KIND OF A TATTOO RIGHT HERE ON YOUR ARM WHERE EVERYBODY SEE IT.
UH, IF YOU HAVE IT UP THERE AND IT'S COVERED BY THE, UH, CLOTHING, THE UNIFORM, THEN THAT'S YOUR BUSINESS.
BUT, UH, HAVE YOU NOTICED ANY KINDS OF CASES THAT TOUCH UPON THIS IN THE PAST FEW YEARS? NO.
UH, I, I I THINK IT OPENS A KIND OF A PANDORA'S BOX FOR, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE MY FEELING THAT WE KIND OF LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE FOR NOW.
UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COMES UP THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN ISSUE.
UM, SO PERSONAL APPEARANCE, THE WAY THEY HAVE THAT THEN, UH, FOR CHAMPAGNE OR URBANA? UH, ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? THAT ONE WORDED IT.
IN CHAMPAIGN URBANA, THE PERSONAL APPEARANCE CATEGORY IS THE OUTWARD APPEARANCE OF ANY PERSON, UH, IRRESPECTIVE OF SEX, GENDER, IF YOU WILL, UH, WITH REGARD TO BODILY CONDITION OR CHARACTERISTICS SUCH AS WEIGHT, HEIGHT, FACIAL FEATURES, OR OTHER ASPECTS OF APPEARANCE.
BUT IT DOES NOT RELATE TO THE REQUIREMENT OF CLEANLINESS, UNIFORMS OR PRESCRIBED A TIRE.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE EMPLOYER CAN SAY, YOU, YOU DON'T, THEY'VE SHOWERED IN THREE WEEKS.
YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO, UH, AND IF AND WHEN SUCH REQUIREMENT IS UNIFORMLY APPLIED FOR ADMITTANCE TO PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION OR TO EMPLOYEES IN A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT FOR A REASONABLE BUSINESS PURPOSE.
SO THIS DOES TALK ABOUT CUSTOMERS ACTUALLY AS WELL AS EMPLOYEES.
THAT'S WHY I EMPLOYEES ARE A PAPER.
DOES THAT MAKE A, DOES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE THEN IF, UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS FOR CUSTOMERS? NO SHARE, NO SHOES, NO SERVICE.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER.
BASICALLY, SUPPOSE YOU HAVE A RESTAURANT AND SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH A BLATANTLY POLITICAL SHIRT THAT COULD, UH, CAUSE, CAUSE A PROBLEM, UH, OBJECTIONS FROM ONE OR MORE OF THE PATRONS, UH, IS,
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I MEAN, IT'S THE FIRST AMENDMENT CASE ALMOST THAT WHAT, HOW MUCH FREE SPEECH CAN YOU HAVE ON YOUR SHIRT AND WALK INTO A PLACE AND ALL BE ALLOWED TO EXPRESS THAT OPINION, EVEN IF IT'S PRETTY UNPOPULAR? UH, I DON'T BELIEVE IT TALKS ABOUT CLOTHING AT ALL.IT TALKS ABOUT BODY CONDITIONS AND CHARACTERISTICS, HEIGHT, WEIGHT, FACIAL FEATURES.
I, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'RE, I THINK YOU'RE GOING SOMEWHERE YOU DON'T WANT TO GO IF YOU START TALKING ABOUT CLOTHING.
AND I, AND I, I DON'T, YEAH, AND I, I, I MEAN, IT'S A SENSE OF THE COMMISSION THAT YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT PERSONAL APPEARANCE OR YOU DON'T WANT TO, YOU DON'T WANT TO INCLUDE THAT AS A COVERED GROUP.
I, THERE'S A CATCHALL PHRASE IN THERE TOWARD THE END AND OTHER PERSONAL APPEARANCE OR WHAT I, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THE WORDING IS.
AND OTHER ASPECTS OF APPEARANCE THAT COULD COVER A MULTITUDE OF THINGS THAT WOULD CERTAINLY COVER THE TATTOOS ALL THE WAY UP TO THAT PART.
WITHOUT, WITHOUT SAYING TATTOO.
OR AN EMPLOYEE GETS ONE VISIBLE TATTOO AND THEY'RE FIRED, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY WITHOUT SAYING IT EXPLICITLY, UNLESS IN THE EMPLOYMENT POLICY IT STATES MM-HMM,
SO IF THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE POLICY AND THEY CLEARLY KNOW THAT THEY CAN'T, THEN IT'S ON THEM, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND ALSO IF, IF, UM, FOR INSTANCE, YOU'RE WALKING INTO A RESTAURANT AND THEY HAVE SIGNS POSTED THAT SAYS, UH, YOU CAN'T COME IN HERE WITH, UH, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE BLATANT POLITICAL, IF IT'S POSTED, OKAY.
BUT IF IT'S NOT, THEN, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
WELL, IMAGINE IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT ANYBODY WOULD FIND OFFENSIVE, YOU KNOW, RACIST, NAZI, YOU KNOW, THAT.
AND AGAIN, I I, I WOULD CAUTION THE COMMISSION AGAINST, YOU KNOW, TELLING PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN'T KICK SOMEBODY OUT OF THEIR BUSINESS IF THEY COME IN WITH A, A RACIST SLOGAN ON THEIR SHIRT.
PERHAPS THE WORDING IS ADEQUATE RIGHT THERE TO SAY WE ARE, WE ARE DEFERRING TO THE BUSINESS TO HAVE SOME STANDARDS OF, UH, APPEARANCE, UM, AND ATTIRE.
I THINK WE MIGHT BE READY TO JUST SAY THAT WE'D LIKE TO INCLUDE THAT WORDING ON THE PERSONAL APPEARANCE.
AND UNLESS ANYBODY HAS AN OBJECTION.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, CHAMPAIGN URBANA.
UH, I'M, I'M AWARE OF THE TIME, AND I KNOW THAT, UH, A MONTH OR SO AGO, UH, COMMISSIONER SLEETER BROUGHT A PROPOSAL IN TERMS OF SEX AND GENDER LANGUAGE AND, UH, I, I WONDER IF HE MIGHT WANT TO MOVE TO THAT SO WE CAN GET THAT DISCUSSION AT LEAST STARTED TODAY.
SO WHERE ACTUALLY HAD, UH, THERE, THERE HAS BEEN SOME COPY OF THAT, UH, IN PREVIOUS MONTHS.
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I MEAN, I'M ASKING BECAUSE ARE WE ON OKAY.UNDER THE CATEGORY OF, OF SEX? I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE CHANGE THAT WITH GENDER.
THAT'S, THEY'RE STILL IN, STILL IN TWO ONE.
UH, I DIDN'T, LETTER AM I DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES IN THIS BECAUSE THE COMMISSION HAD NOT DISCUSSED IT.
AND WE DEFERRED IT LAST TIME BECAUSE COMMISSIONER S LEADER WAS NOT HERE.
AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO GET US.
SO HE'S SUGGESTING WHEREVER THE WORD SEX APPEARS, REPLACE IT WITH GENDER, AND THEN HE INCLUDE THESE DEFINITIONS THAT HE PUT IN HERE.
THE, THESE ARE TAKEN FROM CHAMPAGNE, EITHER CHAMPAGNE OR THOUGHT.
I NOTED THAT THE, THE CHAMPAGNE, UM, ORDINANCE, AND I TWEAKED IT JUST A LITTLE BIT, UM, TO INCLUDE, UM, NON-BINARY, GENDER FLUID AND INTERSEX.
I'M ALSO SUGGESTING WE PLACE SEX WITH GENDER THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT.
AND HE, SHE, WITH THEY OR HIS, HER WITH THEIR, SO THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS COPYING WITH JUST A LITTLE BIT OF TWEAKING FROM, UH, ANOTHER ORDINANCE.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND THIS, UH, COMMISSIONER, WHAT WE, IN SECTION TWO ONE, UH, AT THE END, AFTER THE WORD AGE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE SEX AND SEXUAL ORIENTATION, WE WOULD REPLACE THOSE WITH GENDER, GENDER IDENTITY, AND GENDER EXPRESSION.
AND, AND THE CATEGORY M REPLACE THAT WITH GENDER.
I GOT, I GOT THAT, BUT I'M BACK AT THE VERY TOP.
'CAUSE WE HAVE TO, WHAT WE'RE DOING AT TWO, ONE, WE'RE JUST DESCRIBING WHAT CLASSES ARE PROTECTED.
AND THEN WE HAVE TO DEFINE THOSE EVERY, EVERY PLACE WHERE IT SAYS SEX REPLACE WITH GENDER, AND WHERE IT SAYS SEXUAL ORIENTATION, REPLACE IT, WELL KEEP SEXUAL ORIENTATION.
BUT THEN ADD, SO WE HAVE GENDER, GENDER IDENTITY, GENDER EXPRESSION, SEXUAL ORIENTATION.
AND THEN WE RE DID YOU GIVE ME A NEW DEFINITION FOR SEXUAL ORIENTATION THOUGH? NO.
'CAUSE WE'RE, UH, THE ONE WE HAVE IS, IS GOOD.
UH, THE ONLY THING IS THAT WE SHOULD REMOVE, UM, OR HAVING OR BEING PERCEIVED.
STARTING WITH OR HAVING, YEAH.
UM, TO THE, GOING FROM THERE TO THE PERIOD.
WE'RE ON THE N WELL, IT'S N IN THE ONE I GAVE YOU.
IN LETTER N I'M SUGGESTING YOU STR WE'RE ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF THAT.
UH, PUT A PERIOD THERE AND STRIKE, UH, THE REST OF THAT SENTENCE, OR HAVING, OR BEING PERCEIVED AS HAVING A SELF-IMAGE OR IDENTITY NOT TRADITIONALLY ASSOCIATED WITH ONE'S BIOLOGICAL MALENESS OR FEMALE FEMALES.
AND THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S WHERE IT WAS SUBSUMED BEFORE, BUT NOW IT GOES UNDER GENDER.
WE HAVE ACTUAL DEFINITIONS FOR GENDER IDENTITY.
THOSE WOULD BE ADDED AS CATEGORIES.
REPLACING, UH, THEY WOULD GO AND LETTER M OR WELL, REPLACING SEX.
SO YOU'RE SAYING, OKAY, I WAS, SO YOU'RE SAYING GENDER THAT INCLUDES GENDER IDENTITY AND GENDER EXPRESSION, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? CORRECT.
SO, AND THEN, SO THEN WE, SO THEN THE DEFINITION OF GENDER, WHERE, WHERE DO WE GO WITH THE DEFINITION OF GENDER? LETTER M.
WHERE IT SAYS SEX RE, YOU KNOW, REPLACE THAT, BUT WITH GENDER.
SO, BUT GENDER INCLUDES THE, DO WE KEEP THE MEANS OF STATUS OF BEING MALE OR FEMALE? AND THEN ALSO SAY THAT GENDER ALSO INCLUDES GENDER IDENTITY AND GENDER EXPRESSION.
AND THEN DO YOU FIND THOSE THERE OR, OR HOW DO WE I I'M CON YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINING THE WORD GENDER, AND WE HAVE TO SAY MORE THAN GENDER IDENTITY AND GENDER EXPRESSIONS TO DEFINE.
WELL, IF YOU READ THE WHOLE THING, IT INCLUDES MALE, FEMALE, TRANSGENDER, UH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF CATEGORIES
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UNDER GENDER.SO THIS IS, THIS IS YOUR ENTIRE DEFINITION OF GENDER, RIGHT? WHICH INCLUDES GENDER IDENTITY AND GENDER EXPRESSION DEFINES BOTH OF THOSE.
AND THOSE WOULD REPLACE, UH, WHAT IS PRINTED IN, IN LETTER M OR MOVE IT AROUND SO IT FITS THE, UM, ALPHABETICAL LISTING.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR, WHAT YOU PERHAPS THE SENTENCE, AN INTRODUCTORY SENTENCE AS A WORD GENDER IS, UH, CONSIDERED TO BE THE, UH, OR BROKEN DOWN INTO GENDER IDENTITY AND GENDER EXPRESSION PERIOD.
AND THEN BREAK DOWN THE IDENTITY SEGMENT AND THE EXPRESSION SEGMENT, UH, TO, UM, UH, SUPPLEMENT WHAT OUR DEFINITION IS.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE DRIVING AT THAT, UH, UH, MR. SPANA WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, GENDER AND THEN WE LAUNCHED IMMEDIATELY INTO IDENTITY AND EXPRESSION, WHICH ARE CRUCIAL COMPONENTS.
UH, BUT SOMETHING MAY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, OKAY, GENDER IS DEFINED AS INCLUDING GENDER IDENTITY AND GENDER EXPRESSION MAKES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SENSE.
I, I, I MEAN, SO DO, MARK, DO WE GET INTO, IN THE CODE AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR, UM, SUBMISSION NON-BINARY GENDER FLUID AND INTERSEX IS, IS THAT NEEDED TO BE AN EXPLANATORY POINT? I DON'T THINK SO.
THIS WAS JUST TO HELP YOU ALL ON THE, ON THE COMMISSION TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE ARE, AND THANK YOU.
UH, PEOPLE IDENTIFY AS NON-BINARY AND GENDER FLUID AND INTERSEX IS ACTUALLY A BIOLOGICAL CONDITION.
SO I'M HAPPY TO, UH, INCLUDE THE CHANGES FOR, UH, SECTIONS.
UH, N IS JUST APPARENTLY THE, THE CLAUSE AT THE END OF, UH, OR IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEXUAL ORIENTATION DEFINITION IS THAT THE SENSE OF, UH, WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
I THINK FOR THE SAKE OF GETTING THIS DONE, WE CAN INCLUDE IT FOR RIGHT NOW WITH THE RIGHT TO, UH, MAYBE TWEAK IT A LITTLE LATER.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO OVER THE WHOLE THING, LIKE, YOU KNOW, ARE WE READY TO ACCEPT THIS SECTION THE WAY WE'VE GOT IT WRITTEN? AND THEN THERE'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE SOME AMENDMENTS OR WHATEVER.
I THINK IT, IT WOULD HELP PROBABLY TO SEE SECTION TWO WITH ALL THESE CHANGES.
YOU CAN GET THAT TO YOU BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, I THINK, FOR COMMISSION TO SEE ARTICLE TWO WITH THE CHANGES AND THEN GET THAT TO YOU BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
AND MAYBE AT THE NEXT MEETING WE CAN, YOU KNOW, DO THAT FINAL LOOK THROUGH ON ARTICLE ONE AND TWO AND THEN MOVE ON TO ARTICLE THREE, IF THAT MAKES SOME SENSE.
CONSIDER YOURSELF EMPOWERED TO ADD THAT SENTENCE TO THE GENDER DEFINITION IF YOU WANT.
UM, SO I SAY I SEE 4 54, UM, I DUNNO HOW MUCH WE WANNA LAUNCH INTO AND BE DONE AT FIVE O'CLOCK.
SO I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT MAYBE WE ADJOURN AT THIS POINT AND GET SOME IDEA OF, UM, WHERE WE WANNA START WITH DECEMBER'S DISCUSSION.
BY THE WAY, I, I THINK THAT EVERYBODY HAS BEEN CONTRIBUTING A LOT AND WE'RE MAKING OUR WAY AS SLOWLY AS I, UH, ANTICIPATED.
BUT IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT STUFF.
AND IF WE DON'T DO IT RIGHT, IT'LL BE PICKED APART BY LAWYERS OR THE COUNSEL OR, UM, UH, RESPONDENTS TO CASES IN THE FUTURE.
AND YOU KNOW, ABOUT HALF OF THE NOTES THAT I'VE MADE OVER THE YEARS HAVE TO DO WITH, WITH ARTICLE TWO.
WE HAVE TO, WE DO HAVE TO PORTRAY TO PEOPLE, UH, WHAT WE MEAN BY
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DISCRIMINATION, UH, FOR IT TO MAKE MORE SENSE, I THINK, AND FOR IT TO BE DEFENSIBLE FOR US.SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A MO MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT.
UM, AND OTHER BUSINESS, I, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION TO EVERYBODY THAT, UH, ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS HAS RESIGNED.
SO WE DO HAVE ANOTHER VACANCY.
SO WE HAVE THREE VACANCIES ON THE COMMISSION NOW ASK YOUR FRIENDS, ASK YOUR RELATIVES, ASK YOUR NEIGHBORS.
UM, AND IT, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET UP TO NINE, UH, IF WE CAN DO IT WITH EVEN MORE DIVERSITY, SO MUCH THE BETTER.
BUT, UM, SEE IF ANYBODY SEEMS LIKELY LOGICAL TO ASK ANYWAY.
UH, TO, UH, TO GET UP TO OUR FULL COMPLIMENT OF PEOPLE, I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY FOCUS ON FINDING A PERSON OF DISABILITY THAT'S NOT REPRESENTED HERE.
I MEAN, WE HAVE RACE, WE HAVE, UM, UH, LGBT REPRESENTED, UM, BUT WE, WE NEED TO HAVE A PERSON WHO COULD REPRESENT DISABILITY.
IS THERE AN ORGANIZATION THAT PROBABLY ISN'T, I'M NOT THINKING, FOCUSES ON, UH, THE SERVICES TO THE PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES? THAT'D BE A LOGICAL PLACE TO GO SALE.
I COULD TAKE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MAKING RESOURCES, EYE CONTACTING SALE, OR MAKING RESOURCES TO, UH, SOUND 'EM OUT.
UH, SO HOW ABOUT THAT ADJOURNMENT? I'M, I'M WE ADJOURN SECOND.
ALL AYES AND NO NAYS, WE ARE ADJOURNED.